She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. These people cant tell the truth about anything. Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. through the skin in heated arguments which are undetectable to the human nose in the same way attraction pheromones are undetectable to our noses ). I just dont understand this. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. There are no words . He had only a few friends. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. This would explain how she didnt fight! And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. She is OCD and very ritualistic in nature. Not Shanann! It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. At least I would have. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. And the decision to move Chris out of state as well? He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. I was writing in a passion. But think about it. She wouldnt have gone to bed without her phone. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Chris only saw things with one lense. Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. Pee and Poo Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? As for the one person Im referring to I think ignoring them is pretty much a good idea (: Im not a contributor to this conversation. Have you interviewed anyone for your books? The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. Thats why no defense wounds. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. How was she with her phone? Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely? (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. I know, Im a survivor of strangulation. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. (this is horrific and the worst thing in the whole case, in my opinion). He continuously maintained throughout the entire interrogation that he would never hurt those kids. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. Meredith Kercher is a famous example. The detective said not really. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! Make sense? The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! First of all- the digestive tract is long. Throw it away? Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. @Lisa oh hell, if your description is an accurate one for a diagnosis of OCD, then I reckon I have it too! If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. I feel like maybe she did meet them. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. So if his parents are doing interviews and book deals, he gets it honest I reckon. Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. I think thats what she did (shed had an extra 3 hours of airport to be rid of!) Could Bellas mouth injuries have occurred postmortem when he shoved her through the hatch? Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. I did mention that Shanann was still in love with him and wanted a child with, and wanted to work on their marriage right up until the moment of her death. It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. No, this does not indicate that she was still alive. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. It was on an automatic answering thing. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Just a suggestion. Also zero evidence that she was in bed. Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. Face? Wow, you are really reaching here. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. Chokeholds and Strangleholds are used in martial arts, combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand to hand combat applications. But thats me. The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." 1. The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. When the girls were not at daycare, and at home, they took very long naps, and also had a 6:30 pm bedtime, sleeping 630-6:30. I dont know why, but I have a deep need (would have never expected this) to discuss what happened, and I need to be honest with my observations. I actually tried this with my husband. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? I just dont get it. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. And then it was turned off. Infuriating! I think His story is believable. I love that guy. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. Unfortunately she never got the chance. But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. Makes sense since Shanann has zero marks indicating a struggle, I thought from the jump that she wasnt even awake when he killed her. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. From their text messages & hers to friends you can tell he was trying to make her believe they had a chance & things were getting better. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. I dont believe this was planned because everyone says that its ridiculous that he buried them at his place of employment. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. Remember, she was pregnant. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. Rude person. So weird. Like someone took over his body. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. The lie detector test question focused solely on her, didnt even mention the kids. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the . Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. I wondered what became of the gas can. They said they found paper bags around both her hands. She also could not stand Shannan. ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. So yeah sigh! Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. Im having my doubts about an emotional conversation occurring that particular morning prior to Chriss killing Shanann. Celeste did NOT have any found in hers?? They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. If thats the case I cant figure where else they would have been at that time. I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. Its in the autopsy x. You see any documents with that diagnosis? I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. He cared more about his 2 month relationship with that home wrecker then the 6 years he spent with his wife and the lives of his children. On the police cams you can just see hi. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to smothering. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. And did you mention that the 6 weeks Shannan was in NC with her girls that your Hero Chris Watts was enjoying 6 weeks of being single with his girlfriend, and that was the turning point in their marriage? We know that she went to her office and attempted to order haircare products, and in the welfare check footage you can clearly see a large dark blanket on the sofa, and two small pink chair beds by the side of the sofa. Doesnt mean he couldnt have used his presence in the marital bed to induce her to get close to him and give him the opportunity. To do her business? I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. Colorado is very rural. The womans home was spotless & there was a place for everything & everything was labeled! How was she about her childrens allergies? On top of that, he had to forcibly PUSH Bella down into the oil tank, because she was larger than the 8 inch diameter oil tank hole to fit through please answer why? Bella was face up, so oil had oozed into her stomach and lungs. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. didnt attempt it herself. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. The next morning, visible fingerprints (the circular marks on Shaanns autopsy), so visible that others took notice. Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. Good work. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. Police photos I think she died in bed after being knocked unconscious using Marks ethanol method. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. No. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? I did. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. The attack was pure power and violence. She was not drinking while pregnant! He just switched. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. People with OCD have rituals. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? Info released has stated she had some suitcases still packed, in her bedroom, from the SC trip, and there were other things (like her purses being messy) that just keeps chipping away at true, almost disabling sort of OCD tendencies. Youre obviously trolling! The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. This put undo pressure on the marriage and Chris being the douche bag he is, it was too much pressure to perform I beleive. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. I would put the blame on Chris! But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. He needed to be executed. The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. Taking it off makes the breasts throb & feel more painful. Did anyone explain that? 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